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Ernie77 Registered User (9/26/00 8:12:37 pm) Reply	Re: Musical Snobbery Laura, What is your definition of "real". What's real to you may not be real to me and visa versa. As beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so is "real" music in the ear of each listener. Us cellists can sometimes be blinded to the entire spectrum of all of the musical genres. Cellists need to broaden their musical horizons and expose themselves to diverse and enriching non-musical experiences as well.
Corrina Connor Registered User (9/26/00 8:40:27 pm) Reply	Re: Hooray! Finally, people who think like me! The only good thing that Tchaikovsky ever wrote is the Elegy in Serenade for Strings, and Swan Lake. The rest is pathetic-wallowing-driviling-depressed. . .well, I can't even think of what to say And when you think what he said about Brahms ("That giftless @%$%%@!"). I suppose that it takes one to know one (not that I'm suggesting that Brahms was giftless). Well, there we go. . .fortius. . . . ~Corrina~
Tracie Price Registered User (9/26/00 10:12:01 pm) Reply	my just rewards Ironically... as I was trying in vain to straighten my basement a bit before my student showed up this evening, I was listening to Colorado Public Radio, and the Colorado Symphony broadcast was on (an old one). They were playing Francesca da Rimini and Romeo and Juliet! Awww. That's what I get for badmouthing Peter.
Daniel Ortbals Registered User (9/26/00 10:46:50 pm) Reply	In Laura's Defense I'm sure Laura will say this, but I'll go ahead and defend her right now since I'm already here... Her post started with the phrase "What a music snob (not me) might say." This means that the phrases following this opening were NOT her viewpoint. Obviously, she doesn't feel that classical musicians are the only ones who play "real" music, rather she was pointing out that those who claim that classical music is the only "real" music are the ones who fall into her category of "musical snobs." If you already knew this, and I completely misinterpreted your post, I apologize.
cellochris99 Registered User (9/27/00 1:51:39 am) Reply	Re: Musical Snobbery We had an interesting discussion in music theory class a while back. During an exam one of the class members was getting frustrated trying to analize a Mozart piece as part of the test. He blurted out "I wonder if Mozart himself even cared about all this stuff as he composed. I bet he just knew what would sound good and wrote it!" Chris
MsCheryl Registered User (9/27/00 8:21:27 am) Reply	Define "great" I think we have a confusion here between "craft" and "art". Also, we need a definition of "great". I am very eclectic in my musical tastes, and sometimes a piece can move me, while other times the same piece will leave me cold. However, there are certain pieces that are masterfully crafted, and that is a much more objective qualification. Does that make them "better art"? BTW, there is nothing like an oldies station to get you going on a cleaning binge, and there is nothing like good jazz on a cold night in front of the fireplace with popcorn and a beer. I love classical music - of that there is no doubt. Although I wonder sometimes if I didn't play it, if I'd love it quite as much. My most "enlightening" experiences have happened while playing in orchestras or quartets - something about sitting right in the middle of all that wonderful sound. I don't think the experience is nearly the same from the audience's perspective. It must be this GORGEOUS fall weather that's making me rhapsodic here!
Laura Wichers Registered User (9/27/00 10:52:27 am) Reply	Re: Musical Snobbery (thanks, Daniel) Ernie77, not only was my entire post meant to be sarcastic (and obviously so, IMO), but as Daniel pointed out, I did say "What a music snob (NOT ME) might say." If I remember correctly, you are fairly new to the board, so I'll point out something that most of the 'regulars' already know about me. You name the hobby/activity and I've probably participated; rock climbing, skiing, crocheting, dog agility trials, dressage, fish-keeping, etc. I listen to nearly every type of music (everything from Starker's Lalo to P.J. Olssen and Moxy Fruvous). I'm about as far from blinded to possibilities as could be. -Laura Edited by: Laura Wichers at: 9/27/00 10:52:27 am
Laura Wichers Registered User (9/27/00 9:12:39 am) Reply	Re: fall Fall weather sure does have that effect on people, myself included. I don't like all the stuff that comes after fall, but autumn itself is just wonderful. Especially in Michigan with all our maples and oaks turning bright red and orange... -Laura
Sopher Registered User (9/27/00 9:54:52 am) Reply	Re: fall Laura, Now I'm confused - I thought the only reply I had posted on this thread was "Thanks for turning this into a productive thread". Is there some reason that you think I didn't know your post was sarcastic or some reason to think I have attacked you? Maybe I posted last night while sleep walking, but I don't remember responding to your post. Sopher
Laura Wichers Registered User (9/27/00 10:51:27 am) Reply	Re: whoops. So sue me for misreading! My brain is just about fried, with 6 night rehearsals this week, four exams, a political rally to announce for, and working rush week for my fraternity. Sorry! -Laura
Sorefingers Registered User (9/27/00 11:49:03 am) Reply	Re: Musical Snobbery BRAVO - and DITTO to Ellen's post. With age AND knowledge comes the ear and ability to hear AND savor/appreciate/enjoy. We (at least I) can now listen or watch a performance and get a glimpse of what is involved as far as technique - what the artist did for that phrase - why did they choose those fingerings, bowings etc. to make that part sound the way it did? What if they had tried it this way or that? Then you have to consider what the composer had in mind - it goes on and on. Don't you think there are these aspects in MOST all types of music, when broken down into their respective components? Shoot, there are snobs everywhere in everything - we even have doughnut snobs here on this board! Edited by: Sorefingers at: 9/27/00 11:49:03 am
Ernie77 Registered User (9/27/00 8:24:01 pm) Reply	Re: Musical Snobbery Hi Daniel and Laura, I was merely responding to that so called mythical classical musician(who ever that may be?). Thanks Daniel for not assuming or reading too much into my comments. Laura, it's great that you feel that you are so well rounded but I seemed to have hit a sore spot in your defensive armor. I did not think that my mere statement would provoke such hostility. By the way, I been a member of ICS since 94. Shouldn't you at least afford me the commom courtesy of asking if I was a new member or not? I haven't been to cello chat for a while because of this un-friendly type behavior, and again I am subjected to this. Can't we(cellists) all just get along! ps. I love fish too!(Koi and Pacu).
Laura Wichers Registered User (9/27/00 10:22:00 pm) Reply	Re: Musical Snobbery Sorry sorry sorry. I wasn't intending to be defensive or subjecting you to an attack or anything. Not at all. I didn't remember seeing your moniker before (unless you are the other Ernie who I met at the Congress). I definitely was not trying to be hostile. So anyway, I apologize. Hope to continue seeing you around the boards. -Laura