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String4tetCellist
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(9/7/00 2:44:40 pm)
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Chamber
Music-Cello Sonatas and String Quartets...
I was wondering which string quartet
was everyone's favorite. Also, which cello/piano sonata partnership?
My two favorites are the Juilliard String Quartet, and as for
sonatas, I'd definetely say Krosnick/Kalish. (As you can see, Joel
Krosnick is my favorite cellist!) So what does everyone else
think...?
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sarah
schenkman
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(9/8/00 12:29:05 pm)
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sonatas
etc.
I don't have any one favorite
quartet or sonata partnership, but really like the old recording of
Beethoven Sonatas with Fournier and Schnabel.
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String4tetCellist
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(9/10/00 4:51:18 pm)
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sonatas etc...Joel Krosnick!!
Unfortunately I've never heard the
Fournier/Schnabel recordings (has anyone heard the solo cello sonata
written by Schnabel, by the way? it's absolutely WONDERFUL!)...but I
have been hearing quite a lot about them. But another question: HAS
ANYONE LISTENED TO THE KROSNICK/KALISH SONATA RECORDINGS??? Krosnick
is my favorite cellist ever! He's got such a wonderful sound and he
is so agile technically! The Beethoven sonatas, Prokofiev, Poulenc,
Carter, Debussy...they're all wonderful!!
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David
Sanders 
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(9/11/00 11:18:29 am)
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Re:
sonatas etc...Joel Krosnick!!
I always liked the
Rostropovich/Richter Beethoven Sonatas.
And the Beethoven
Quartets with the "old" Guarneri.
And of course, Feuermann or
Rose with any pianist.
I also used to enjoy the recitals at
Ravinia with Lynn Harrell and James Levine.
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OyOy
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(9/11/00 11:23:35 am)
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sonatas etc...Joel Krosnick!!
Guarneri in their first decade or
two were totally in a class by themselves.
But so was the
Juilliard back when Cohen & Hillyer had the inner parts. Today
it's just another quartet, and inferior to the Emerson.
And even
though many people got seasick listening to Norbert Branin, I liked
a lot of the Amadeus recordings. Such sincerity & humility in
their playing. No slickness, no showing off, just doing their
damndest to make the music as expressive as possible.
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String4tetCellist
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(9/11/00 4:57:01 pm)
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JSQ
I understand that on some of these
boards, Juilliard-bashing has been made a hobby by some people. I
have to say that I truly don't think that the Juilliard is "just
another quartet," and I certainly don't think they are "inferior to
the Emerson." Technically, the groups might be comparable (but
really, how can anyone fly over the violin like Joel Smirnoff?), but
musically, I believe the Juilliard Quartet has much more depth than
any quartet now or that has ever existed. The style of playing
really appeals to me-abandon, edge, all of that good stuff. As for
Isidore Cohen, I must say that my favorite 2nds have been
(surprise!) Copes and Smirnoff. (Also, personally, in both the
anecdotes I've heard and in meeting them, I think the latter two are
much nicer people, though that's not relavent to their playing...)
And as for Hillyer over Rhodes, I can simply say "no." Though
certainly open to discussion, I believe that Sam is one of the
greatest violists ever to live. His sound, his equipment- it's all
simply divine. And just to make it so that a cello has been
mentioned here...JOEL KROSNICK IS THE BEST!!!
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Laura
Wichers
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(9/11/00 6:42:17 pm)
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hoolliard qt
(sorry, I always call it hoolliard
for fun... long story)
I remember seven or so years ago I was
so excited because I was going to see the Juilliard quartet. SOOOO
excited after all the wonderful things I'd heard about them. But the
concert itself was a huge downer. There were some intonation
problems in the vlns, and the music didn't move me like it should,
or has the few times I've seen the Emerson quartet. It was a decent
performance, nothing more.
-Laura
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String4tetCellist
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(9/11/00 7:01:15 pm)
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JSQ
Wait a minute...that was seven years
ago. You do realize that, since then, Joel Smirnoff has moved up to
first and Ron Copes is the new second. It's not fair to judge them
now based on what you heard when they were in a completely different
formation. Besides that, the intonation problems in the violins that
you speak of are a common statement about Bobby Mann's last years-
while it may be true, it is for most players over the age of
seventy. At any rate, I think the quartet is much better now than it
ever has been.
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zambocello
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(9/11/00 7:48:00 pm)
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One of
my favorite sonata recordings is
David Soyer and Harriett Wingreen's
recording of the Mendelssohn Sonatas.
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BA
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(9/12/00 2:45:00 am)
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Confused...Is this a joke post?
Or is Joel Krosnick now posting in
Cello Chat
- "how can anyone fly over the violin like Joel
Smirnoff?"
- "musically, I believe the Juilliard Quartet has
much more depth than any quartet now or that has ever existed."
-"I believe that Sam is one of the greatest violists ever to
live. His sound, his equipment- it's all simply divine."
-"JOEL KROSNICK IS THE BEST!!!"
Friends, the next
time that anybody tells you that cynicism is a bad thing, remember
the impassioned words of this young cellist. Remember how his/her
cluelessness was equaled only by the strength of passion with which
the words were spoken. This is another young life on the road to
ruination or, worse yet, Ofrah recordings. What can you do to help
you ask? Together we can form the Institute for Advanced Cynical
Studies (IACS)and save young minds before it is too late. Won't you
please help? Stop the Madness!
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BA
Registered User
(9/12/00 2:47:03 am)
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Re:
JSQ
Editor's note: Bobby Mann's last
years : 1973-1999
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MaryK
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(9/12/00 10:37:55 am)
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Sign me
up!
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ruthann
Registered User
(9/12/00 11:08:40 am)
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Re: One
of my favorite sonata recordings is
I have that!! It's my favorite also.
Mine is an LP, do you know if it has been re-released on CD?
cello_suttonr@hotmail.com
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zambocello
Registered User
(9/12/00 11:59:10 am)
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Soyer /
Wingreen
Dunno. Mine is on vinyl too.
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Toscha
Registered User
(9/12/00 12:39:10 pm)
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sonatas etc.
Another vote on Fournier/Schnabel
duo! I grew up with it and their last two sonatas is as good as my
favorite version, Casals/Horszowski (1930s).
I also love
Feuermann and Piatigorsky's sonata recordings as well. Former's
"Arpeggione" sonata (with Gerald Moore) is one of my all time
favorite cello-piano recording. Latter's Chopin (earlier version),
Mendelssohn and Brahms (with Rubinstein, 1965) sonatas are beautiful
too.
As for quartets, I grew up listening to old Viennese
groups (Barylli, Vienna Konzerthaus, Weller and Boskovsky
quartets)playing Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven and Brahms, and I have to
say I am extremely partial to their playing. For Beethoven, I also
like Capet, Busch, Budapest and Vegh quartets as well. Lener quartet
made some wonderful recordings as well.
For more Romantic
repertoires, I like Hollywood, Borodin and Kroll quarets.
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String4tetCellist
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(9/12/00 4:33:06 pm)
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JSQ
Frankly, this is not a place to
deliberately insult someone's taste. In actuality, I am not so young
that I have not heard music enough to compare what I like to what I
do not like. All my life I have been hearing quartets, and if I
don't know the difference between a moving performance and one that
is not, I don't know anything. I am a member of a string quartet
(no, this is not Joel Krosnick, though I wish it was) and frankly, I
have probably heard as much quartet music as anyone posting on this
board. When Bobby Mann, at age 26, was a founding member of the
Juilliard Quartet, he did not set out on a mission to play every
note perfectly in tune. Rather, I think that what he meant to do was
to move his audience. I believe he succeeded. If you don't, then
fine- you don't have to agree with what I am saying- if your idea of
a good performance is something squeaky clean, then don't listen to
him. But I believe that he did move people. And if the first
violinist of my quartet was to tell me today that he was going to
play a few notes out of tune, and in exchange I'd cry four times in
each movement, I'd happily say yes.
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String4tetCellist
Registered User
(9/12/00 5:49:47 pm)
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Re:
JSQ
Editor's Note: Bobby Mann's last
year in the quartet was '97.
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sarah
schenkman
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(9/12/00 5:56:18 pm)
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hillyer
Once I heard the Hungarian (the old
Hungarian) Quartet playing Beethoven Opus 59 #3 with Hillyer subbing
for the violist. Get to the last mvt. and Hillyer starts at
Juilliard tempo which was way faster than Hungarian tempo and as
each member of the quartet came in it got slower and slower until it
was finally at the Hungarian Quartet tempo. It was quite
funny.
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Corrina
Connor
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(9/13/00 12:56:22 am)
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Re:
Chamber Music-Cello Sonatas and String Quartets...
Rostropovich/Richter playing
Beethoven is one of the only cello recordings that I want to listen
to (as in over and over and over and over. . .)
I also the
like Emerson complete Shostakovich Quartet recordings, and their
Beethoven recordings too.
I love my re-mastered CD of Death
and the Maiden, but I can't find the CD, so I can't find the name of
the group, will update when I find it.
~Corrina~
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SrPilha
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(9/13/00 6:55:10 am)
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Re:
Chamber Music-Cello Sonatas and String Quartets...
Hi ev'ryone!
I won't say I'm
a specialist or something, but didn't everybody forget the Alban
Berg Quartett? I think they're great, and I particularly like their
XX Century Music box set. I also have some Schuberts with them, and
they're quite nice.
I don't really know much about JSQ, but I
do like their Art of the Fugue quite a lot. I must admit I never
thought of them as the best quartet ever, though.
I must also
admit that the Rostropovich recordings of the Beethoven sonatas (at
least the one I've heard, if there is more than one) is one of the
worst versions of these sonatas I know, and certainly the worst
recording I have ever heard with him. They sound as if they just
went by the notes! And this is a Rostropovich fan speaking. Anyway,
I may be heavily influenced by the Casals version, since that was
the first one (and only one, for a long time) I heard.
And,
please, let's not forget the Kronos String Quartet, a must when it
comes to contemporary music!
Best wishes,
Guilherme
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OyOy
Registered User
(9/13/00 9:29:42 am)
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Chamber Music-Cello Sonatas and String Quartets...
A Greenhouse/Pressler version of
the Beethoven sonatas would have swept the board had it been made.
And what a pity that Rose never recorded them.
I too wonder what
people hear in that Slava/Richter CD; I admire both artists in many
things, but they were asleep for that recording except for the
finale of the G minor, for which they both inhaled large amounts of
helium. That or they were just kidding.
For me, the most
satisfying recording of the sonatas, taking all factors into
account, is the Fournier/Gulda on DG. It continues to reveal new
beauties on each rehearing.
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