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PatWhite
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(2/28/01 6:50:26 pm)
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Chopin
Polonaise Brillante
Hope I didn't massacre the spelling
of that one...
I played the Polonaise a long time ago, and
then again in recital in 1996. My teacher way back when had put some
changes (she had been a Rose student, so was I, but I never studied
the piece with him)into the part. I was using the International/Rose
edition that was Feuermann's arrangement of the work.
The
changes were minor-- an ornament here and there, going up an octave
at the end of a note, playing the melody on the third page down an
octave the first time and up as written the second time, etc.
I have a student playing the piece now, and she has a
recording where there are more things changed -- a cut on the second
page, the addition of a false harmonic passage on the bottom of the
second page.
This student wishes to play it the way it is on
the recording, and we are trying to figure it all out, but it would
be easier if someone could either tell me which edition it is or
make a copy and send it to me. (I'll of course reimburse)
I
never really got into the business of comparing editions very
much...not exactly my forte! Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Patricia White
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BA
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(3/1/01 4:34:14 am)
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Dear Pat- There are many arangements
of that piece, but I don't know of very many still in print besides
International and the original. The Rose edition was copied mainly
from the Feuermann recording but omits quite a bit, especially on
the last page. The aritificial harmonics are from Feuermann. The
second theme down an octave is not, nor a cut. In fact there is
quite a bit more of Feuermann's arangement than what is in the Rose
edition (Which by the way Rose allowed to go to press as his own
arrangement with no attribution to Feuermann. Only legal threats
forced International to add Feuermann's name)
There was a
Piatigorsky arangement that was quite differnet but I don't think
it's in print anymore. It's not immediately clear what edition you
heard recorded. When I studied it, I, like my teacher, copied it
directly from the Feuermann recording. However, Bernie Greenhouse
has a copy of an older edition that Feuermann used to make his
arrangement, with Feuermann's hand notated changes. Sorry I can't be
more help- which recording is it?
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Ryan
Selberg 
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(3/1/01 10:29:47 pm)
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I would just like to add to
Brinton's comments that what Feuermann recorded is not represented
completely by any printed edition. The "Rose-Feuermann" edition even
completely leaves out a number of bars of music. Years ago, I
transcribed the music from the Feuermann recording by using a reel
to reel tape at half speed. It came out pretty well, but there are
still those missing bars, and then there are Feuermann's own playing
abilities and genius with nuances that cannot be duplicated. Still,
it is fun to try! Sure is a better piece than Chopin's original,
which is so very bland for the cello and so much more interesting
for the piano.
Ryan
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BA
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(3/2/01 12:43:39 am)
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Ryan- I can tell you what is in the
missing bars, if you want to know. It basically comes from the piano
part of the original, and of course the preceding section is then
repeated. Every pianist I have ever played it with has cursed me for
giving them a piano part with extra measures and arrows all over the
place.
The one thing I could never figure out is whether the
second pizzacato section was ommited for artistic or for timing
reasons...How long did a side run? 3 1/2 minutes?
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Ryan
Selberg
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(3/2/01 12:59:39 am)
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Thanks, Brinton,
I was
basically to lazy to transcribe it and then further butcher the
already pasted up part. Maybe someday........!
Ryan
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BA
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(3/2/01 1:11:07 am)
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Wow- yuou're up late. Maybe
different time zone. What I hate most about the repeat is that I
have to make that shift to the E four times instead of two! Talk
about pushing one's luck...
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PatWhite
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(3/2/01 10:50:05 am)
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I've had problems with the board, so
haven't checked in to see responses until now...
The
recording the student has is an independently made CD (so, not
available on the market...) by a local cellist famous for shameless
self-promotion. He said that he listened to Rose's recording over
and over to copy every fingering, every bowing, and every change of
musical text.
I see that there is a Peters Greutzmacher
edition in the Shar catalogue...is that what you refer to as the
original?
So, the only way to figure out these changes is to
copiously listen and copy?? That's too bad.
I'm also at a
little disadvantage in that I gave this student my music and can't
refer to it to ask or answer questions...!
Which reminds me,
don't you teachers just love it when you have a student playing a
difficult piece and they point to one of the hardest spots and ask,
"Could you play that for me so I can see what you do with that
spot?" 
Patricia White
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Christopher
Chan
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(3/2/01 12:06:27 pm)
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There was a very interesting article
in the January 2000 issue of strings magazine where Jeffrey Solow
wrote a guide to editions of cello repertoire.
Here's what
he had to say about the Polonaise Brillante:
"The
International edition (ed. Rose) of the Chopin-Feuermann "Polonaise
Brillante" is not truly the Feuermann version; it has a cut and some
other changes. Peters is the original version of the Polonaise
(included with the Sonata). See the Lea or Breitkpf score for an
earlier original version. Also see Vol. XVI of the Polish edition of
the complete works published by Polskie Wydawnictwo Muzycne (ed.
Wilkomirski), for a critical edition of the Polonaise. Schott (ed.
Gendron) is a completely different arrangement."
Edited by: Christopher
Chan at: 3/2/01 12:06:27 pm
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Paul
Tseng ICS Staff 
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(3/2/01 3:52:36 pm)
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Quote:
"Which reminds me, don't you teachers just love it when you have
a student playing a difficult piece and they point to one of the
hardest spots and ask, "Could you play that for me so I can see
what you do with that spot?""
I'd love to have
students who are at that level. It would be so much more challenging
and interesting. It takes a very special and gifted teacher to work
with beginners and children. I'll be the first to admit that I'm not
one of them. I work best with young adults and students who have a
pretty good technical foundation.
I did have a student who I
helped prepare for her senior (HS) recital and Juilliard audition.
Her program included the Prokofiev Sonata and The Elgar concerto.
She nailed her recital and made it into Juilliard. I was so proud of
her.
Paul Tseng
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