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FrozenYankee
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(1/27/01 7:49:51 pm)
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Keeping the wolf at bay...
I bought an artist cello which I like very much but unfortunately has the wolf note from hell. It's so bad that it even shows up on the D string (F#).

I bought one of those nice shiney brass de-wolfers and put it on my G string. Had no effect. Moved it all around. Nope. Tried the C string. No luck there either. Unless I moved the thing right up to the bridge so that it really acted as a mute, it made no difference at all.

Thinking about the fizzicks of all of this, I believe a good wolf eliminator should be designed so that it tunes one of the string afterlengths (preferable the C string) to the wolf note. The C string vibrates up and down the most when the wolf note is played, so it is there the eliminator will have the best chance to soak up the unwanted energy.

If you go kerplunk on the C string afterlength, the note is way up there. By adding weight to the string, the note can be brought down. When you've added enough weight, going kerplunk on the afterlength will sound the same F# that the wolf haunts.

Now, if all you do is add the weight, then what you'll accomplish is to make two smaller wolf notes - one on either side of the original one. You have to make this resonator lossy - so it'll dissipate the resonant energy, not redistribute it. I guess that's why there's a rubber sleeve inside the shiney brass de-wolfer. The rubber soaks up the energy.

So why didn't the brass thing work for me? It was too heavy. It brought the afterlength note way, way below my wolf note.

I removed the brass thing, and started experimenting with heavy gauge wire solder. I'd snip off 2" pieces and twist them around the afterlength of my C string. Then I'd go kerplunk and check the note. It got lower and lower and finally reached the magic F#.

I carefully unwrapped all the solder pieces and weighed them accurately. 3 grams exactly. The brass thing weighed 9 grams. No wonder it didn't work.

I took the rubber insert out of the brass guy and cut a single long length of solder and trimmed it until, together with the rubber piece, it weighed 3 grams.

I put the rubber piece at the middle of the C string afterlength and carefully coiled the solder around it. I pulled the two ends of the solder coil towards each other and twisted them together so the whole coil snugged around the rubber.

I know, I know, what a complicated procedure. But it works! The wolf is gone. Now that I've proved out the theory, I need to come up with a more permanent device. Solder is soft and I don't think it's going to hang in there for long. I thought of cutting down the brass thingy, but just the locking screw on it weighs 3 grams.

By the way, the solder I used is about 1/16" thick and is lead-based electronic solder (Radio Shack?). Plumbing solder nowadays is lead-free and isn't as heavy, so you'd have to use more of it to get the weight you need.

Richard

Edited by: FrozenYankee at: 1/27/01 7:49:51 pm

Len Thompson
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(1/29/01 4:33:24 pm)
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Gold Mine!
Very interesting Richard. What do you think accounts for the differing weight needs? The mass of the string itself? The lenght of the after length, or the cello body itself? I also have a wolf that shows up on the D-string. Installed one eliminator that was rather large in size, and black in color. It turns out that it was copper rather than brass. It didn't touch the wolf. Tried another smaller brass eliminator, and although it didn't get rid of the wolf altogether, it did move it so that it does not interfer as much. I think the brass may weigh more for any given volume than the copper, (not sure) but I did consider the weight at issue when I replaced it. It weighs less overall than the copper one, but how much I don't know. You know, I used to work for an electronics co., and for setting up some of the mechanical parts we made, we used these brass pealable washers. They start off about 1/4 inch thick, then you peal off a piece about .002" for each segment. Seems like something along that line could be done for a eliminator. Could be a little gold mine!!!
Anyway, good thinking! I've printed out your post.

Len

Len Thompson
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(1/29/01 4:35:09 pm)
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Gold Mine!
Very interesting Richard. What do you think accounts for the differing weight needs? The mass of the string itself? The lenght of the after length, or the cello body itself? I also have a wolf that shows up on the D-string. Installed one eliminator that was rather large in size, and black in color. It turns out that it was copper rather than brass. It didn't touch the wolf. Tried another smaller brass eliminator, and although it didn't get rid of the wolf altogether, it did move it so that it does not interfer as much. I think the brass may weigh more for any given volume than the copper, (not sure) but I did consider the weight at issue when I replaced it. It weighs less overall than the copper one, but how much I don't know. You know, I used to work for an electronics co., and for setting up some of the mechanical parts we made, we used these brass pealable washers. They start off about 1/4 inch thick, then you peal off a piece about .002" for each segment. Seems like something along that line could be done for a eliminator. Could be a little gold mine!!!
Anyway, good thinking! I've printed out your post.

Len
PS I've already applied for the patten, so forget it!

Len Thompson
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(1/29/01 4:40:13 pm)
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SORRY!
I only wanted to add the post script, not the whole post again. Seems I touched the wrong button, sorry!

Len

Andrew Victor
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(1/30/01 12:21:42 pm)
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Different weights of wolf eliminators.
It seems to me I recently read of different weights of wolf eliminators. I can't recall who was selling them. Might have been David Bice at New Harmony.

Andy


          New Keeping the wolf at bay...-FrozenYankee-(4)-1/27/01 7:49:51 pm  
               New Different weights of wolf eliminators.-Andrew Victor 1/30/01 12:21:42 pm  
               New Gold Mine!-Len Thompson 1/29/01 4:35:09 pm  
                    New SORRY!-Len Thompson 1/29/01 4:40:13 pm  
               New Gold Mine!-Len Thompson 1/29/01 4:33:24 pm  
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