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drcello
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(2/2/01 3:59:52 pm)
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Orchestra cellists
What would you look for in a good orchestral cellist? How is he/she different from a good soloist? What single quality is most needed to make a real contribution to the cello section and orchestra as a whole?

Marshall C. St. John
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Sorefingers
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(2/2/01 5:10:15 pm)
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Re: Orchestra cellists
Single quality? Hmmm - that's tough, at least five come to mind.

Single quality: the ability to hear the melody or main theme of a piece in your head while you're playing the counterpoint or harmony so you are BLENDING with the entire orchestra, you are creating TOGETHER - bringing your PIECE to complete the WHOLE.

I'm not a professional, a "young", in terms of playing age, cellist - and this is a question that I am very interested in as well. Can't wait to see what you BIG GUYS have to say.

zambocello
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(2/2/01 5:47:55 pm)
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Orchestra cellists
#1 quality: to fit in. Orchestra cellists must play with character, but not at the expense of the section sounding as one. It doesn't matter how great a musician or soloist I am (as if) if I'm not contributing to the group sound.

A soloist has the opportunity to take liberties and *must* make a personal and individual recreation of the music. Orchestral cellists *must not* make personal statements in their playing, at least not to the extent that it diverges from the section's collective approach. IMHO, in instances where cellists - or other string instrument players - do not achieve tenure in an orchestra it is usually because they are unable to "compromise" their own personal way of playing to fit into the group.

dennisw
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(2/2/01 6:42:12 pm)
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re: ochestral cellists
A friend of mine auditioned for the Cleveland Orch. when it was still under the baton of George Szell (ancient history, I know). Szell was known as quite a taskmaster (to put it politely), so I wanted to know what it was like. He told me that Szell had him play the excerpts and then he made a bunch of changes on the fly to the way he wanted to hear it played. Szell like the fact that he was able to make the ajustments quickly and play the new markings correctly on the first or second try. He got the job.

sarah schenkman
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(2/3/01 8:09:35 am)
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No rushing.

David Sanders 
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(2/3/01 8:45:09 am)
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Re: Orchestra cellists
There is no single quality that is most needed in an orchestral cellist. Every really good orchestral cellist needs many qualities in his/her playing, many of them the same as a soloist. Good intonation, good rhythm, good phrasing, good sound, good sense of legato, etc. Plus, they need to be able to play with everyone else in the section, and the ability to adapt to changes quickly.

drcello
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(2/3/01 9:16:58 am)
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adaptable
This business of being able to adapt to changes quickly is certainly true. Our principal cellist changes bowings nearly every rehearsal, and you've just got to be able to take it in and adjust quickly.

Marshall C. St. John
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Corrina Connor
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(2/4/01 10:02:07 pm)
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not to be a pain in the neck to the stand partner?

Steve Drake
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(2/5/01 11:47:16 am)
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Top ten list
Ok, this is somewhat tongue in cheek, but is strangely appropriate for my orchestra.

Top 10 qualities of a good orch cellist
10. Own their own instrument
9. Play in tune, in tempo, w/o rushing, etc.
8. Know all the words to all the songs.
7. Own electric bass.
6. Be able to play with the orchestra despite what the conductor or the bass section is doing.
5. Be able to see past the lady with the big hair in front of you, or that really big guy, or be able to play w/o seeing the conductor (better).
4. Be willing to sing when idiot composers require it.
3. Know the conductors name, despite reluctance to utter it.
2. Clean your suits or clothes at least once a season.
1. Be able to fake anything.

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          Orchestra cellists-drcello-(8)-2/2/01 3:59:52 pm  
               Top ten list-Steve Drake 2/5/01 11:47:16 am  
               Re: Orchestra cellists-David Sanders  2/3/01 8:45:09 am  
                    adaptable-drcello 2/3/01 9:16:58 am  
               re: ochestral cellists-dennisw 2/2/01 6:42:12 pm  
                    No rushing.-sarah schenkman-NT 2/3/01 8:09:35 am  
               Orchestra cellists-zambocello 2/2/01 5:47:55 pm  
               Re: Orchestra cellists-Sorefingers 2/2/01 5:10:15 pm  
                    not to be a pain in the neck to the stand partner?-Corrina Connor-NT 2/4/01 10:02:07 pm  
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