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drcello
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(5/11/01 5:19:06 pm)
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Why study music, anyway?
Here is a good article about the good reasons to study music. This may be especially interesting to teachers and parents....

www.grothmusic.com/why_music.htm

Marshall C. St. John
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cellochris99
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(5/11/01 6:48:14 pm)
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I've been noticing in recent years, alot of research and discoveries in that area of how a child's musical participation influences, as the article explains, the developement of their cognitive and social skills etc.

.. But, just for the sake of conjecture, do we consider the state of a child's development potential--before-- musical training and it's subsequent influence. That,..perhaps.. individuals of the aforementioned sort, who exhibit more or less cognitive flexibility, and learning potential-(who would score higher testing anyway)- thus, may have more of an inclination toward musical study in the first place, and then realize it's intrinsic value by staying with it, unlike their counterparts, who don't realize any immediate value in it.

In other words, a person might not be smarter BECAUSE he's playing a tuba, but smarter THEREFORE he plays a tuba. Just my opinion.

Chris

Edited by: cellochris99 at: 5/15/01 3:13:30 am
cyn38 
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(5/11/01 9:15:15 pm)
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I've been thinking a lot about this subject of late, as I'm currently making that big decision about starting one of my sons in some sort of formal music lessons.

I have three sons, ages 15, 12 and 7, all of whom are amazing athletes. The sun rises and sets for baseball. They all pitch, and I spend an enormous amount of time at the ballfield per week. None of them has shown the slightest interest in music, other than putting up with the fact that their mother plays the piano, cello and sings in the symphony chorus. Classical music is on the radio or CD 95% of the time they are in the house or car.

I've grieved some about the fact that as musical as their mother is, they show ZERO interest in this passion of mine.

Then something amazing happened. The youngest son, Lincoln came home from first grade practically bursting, "MOM! I learned all about Beethoven at school today! Do we have any Beethoven in the house I can listen to?"

Yes, in fact, we did have some Beethoven laying about. Take your pick: symphonies, piano concerti and sonatas, cello pieces, string quartets...You want Beethoven, Linc? We've got plenty of it.

Later the same afternoon I sent him to get the mail and lo and behold, there was a flyer from the symphony announcing the weekend's upcoming concert. "Bravo Beethoven" it said, and Lincoln brought it to me and asked if he could go to the symphony with me to hear some more Beethoven. He's well aware that I attend our symphony nearly every single week. I don't have to tell you the answer I gave him!

I don't know what happened at school, though I've thought several times about going over there and asking what they said, but this otherwise baseball consumed child has gone nuts about classical music. That lesson flipped the light switch on, so to speak, and he seems to not be able to get enough of it right now. He's been to the symphony every week since the beginning of February, sits like a little statue through the whole thing (remember he's SEVEN), then jabbers about what he liked best the whole way home.

He listens to these composer tapes I have that tell the story of the composers life, mixed with their music. He falls asleep listening about a different composer every night.

One of his favorite things is to play, "Who's that composer?", and we talk about what it is that makes you be able to tell one from another. He knows the instrument families, and is learning to identify their sounds. During the symphony, he uses a little cheat sheet I made with the names of all the instruments. When he hears a solo passage, he points to the one he thinks it is. He's correct more often than not.

So, all that said, what do I do with this little kid who is suddenly nuts about music? I've asked him if he wants to play an instrument. He says he does, but he's "thinking about which one". It seems like with the interest he's shown recently, I should do something along the line of formal lessons. After reading the program notes about our musical director he quipped, "Keith Lockhart didn't start playing the piano until he was seven, mom." True. Maybe it's not too late?

What do you think?

--cyn

cynsymphony@aol.com

cellochris99
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(5/12/01 6:05:40 am)
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Wow!, that's pretty interesting. It's a very healthy thing that your son is showing such an interest in music at such a young age! It shows that there's something spontaneous inside him for music, a good thing because it's ultimately his own desire that makes it worth while.

I have a bit of experience that I might could help with. I started piano at age 9 -I'm 28 now-. My piano teacher, at that time, told my parents that, generally speaking, around age 8 & 9 is the best age for most students to begin music study. She said that there are alot of factors that come into play, such as the child's level of maturity, attention span, physical size and strength, level of interest etc. But, it's usually a case by case basis. Your son's almost definitly old enough to begin piano though.

As you probably know, young children can be very whimful at times. One day they love puppies, and it's the most important thing in their life,-nagging you until you actually give in and get them one. And about two weeks later, while YOU are cleaning up canine poop and feeding animals, he's gotta new interest....street hockey!

From you're post, it sounds like your son has a real interest in music--that's the MOST important factor. 7 yrs is not too young in my opininion, it just means that you might have to buy a smaller size instrument if he decides to play cello. But don't rush him into lessons if he's not coming up with any definitive descisions, and just make sure that it's not a passing whim and give him more time to think it over the next few days. Also, make sure that he knows that if he's taking lessons, he's got to practice regularly and that's not always fun.

Personally, in my opinion, if someone doesn't have a particular instrument in mind, piano is the very best instrument to begin on for several reasons. For one, learning on piano gives young musicians a much broader based, and a more rounded and transferable musical foundation than starting by specializing on a saxophone, for instance. The reason being, on piano, you learn bass AND treble clef at the onset. You learn early about melody as it relates to chord structure, harmony, rhythm, and phrasing. Better music, with more exposure to different composors and more diversity in musical styles through piano music. Piano is the most versatile instrument, in my opinion. It's MUCH easier to get a good sound out of a piano, so the child can focus on learning music, rather than wrestling with a trombone slide, or a squawking violin.

Your child will have a HUGE, HUGE advantage if he decides to play in the band or orchestra at school later on. Most households already have a piano. Your teacher will also have a piano, so your child doesn't have to lug a cello around. Playing piano is something that your son will always cherish. Right now, I play about six different istruments, and having a grounding in piano has benefitted greatly in that being as smooth as possible.

Chris

Edited by: cellochris99 at: 5/12/01 6:09:14 am
AaronReeves
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(5/12/01 9:23:14 am)
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I couldn't agree more about the piano. I am primarily a pianist. I started lessons when I was 6, so I think that 7 would be a wonderful age to start. Neither too early nor too late. 6 was the minimum age set by my teacher, and I think that I started wanting to play when I was 5, but I had to wait a few months before I could start. I've been playing for 11 years now, and I love it so much. I'll be majoring in piano in college.

I think that perhaps your son started playing baseball because of the influence of your other two sons. Maybe music is really his natural interest? I think that the opposite has happened with my younger sister. She started taking piano lessons mainly because my older sister and I play piano (as well as a couple of other instruments. My older sister also plays flute and sings, I also play cello and sing. Just to add on to Chris's comments about piano being a wonderful foundation for other musical pursuits.), but my parents are convinved that she should be more involved in sports. She comes home from school talking about P.E. class (she's in third grade) and how she played basketball during recess, and asking if she can try out for local athletic teams. (mainly basketball, a little soccer every once in a while) She isn't involved in them yet, maybe someday if she stops taking piano lessons.

Aaron

Jon Pegis
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(5/12/01 12:08:18 pm)
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Beethoven
My oldest son developed a passion for Beethoven after seeing the wonderful movie "Beethoven Lives Upstairs."
He had been taking piano lessons (and not very enthusiastically) before seeing this movie, but from then on he would practice anything by Beethoven. His enthusiasm didn't last forever, and after a few years of lessons he decided to stop. That's okay--he knows he's good at piano and he can always go back to it. I think that if you can inspire a child's imagination that they are much more likely to want to play. Hmm, maybe I should show him "Amadeus!"
Jon Pegis

mcello
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(5/12/01 6:09:09 pm)
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I'll read the article after finals
As I'm sure hundreds of other music students around the country feel right now, my first response to your topic is "good question"! Why should I be playing juries, studying for a music history final and of course theory! But as a mom, I'm sure I'll appreciate the article as soon as I have time to read it! I always enjoy your articles and chapters of books you are so good to point us to!

Laura Wichers
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(5/13/01 11:18:07 am)
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I'll have to check the link when I have some extra time, but I'll mention a few things now. I've read quite a bit about the various academic/intellectual benefits of studying music and they are truly amazing. However, for me and many of my friends, the best part of being involved in music is NOT the intellectual... it is the emotional and social. The music is always there, it is a constant regardless of whatever horrible things happen to us. We can flunk a chem exam and be able to find solace in a quartet rehearsal. The majority of musicians are generally nice people; personally, none of my good friends are non-musicians.

The hours we spend in practice rooms and, for those who studied music in college the years spent with the same few hundred people taking the same classes, reinforce the sense of comraderie. Not that music can't be stressful and irritating at times, but for those of us who really love it, nothing compares. People who are not professional musicians can still be very active in music, something very few professions allow.

I do not doubt that involvement in music is something like formeldahyde for your psychological and emotional well-being: Many of our family friends are in their late 70s and 80s, but if I met them on the street I would never guess them to be any older than 60 or so. One can participate in music for a lifetime, it keeps you moving and active, it provides many social activities.


Laura

SW 
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(5/14/01 1:10:29 pm)
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You are right on with your comments. I design and analyze research studies at a major university. The relationships they have found are only relationships or associations. Unless a carefully designed study is done that accounts for the possibility that the higher scoring students are self selecting themselves into music study, we really can't be sure if brighter students play instruments or students become brighter by playing instruments. Maybe someone has done such a study, but I am not aware of one.

jjlochlomond
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(5/15/01 8:02:59 am)
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piano
"Most households already have a piano."??

I know this is really veering off with a tangent - so sorry!- but all I could think when I read this was "wow, you and I travel in vastly different circles!" I currently live in a big city where there's not a lot of single-family housing and most of the apartment buildings and condos are sufficiently old that pianos are prohibited (I'm guessing for acoustic reasons) in the leases or bylaws. But even thinking back to my days of babysitting in the burbs, I thinkat most quarter of the families had pianos -- and this is with the church choir being my primary networking source, so it's not as if they were all totally unmusical people!

MsCheryl 
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(5/15/01 8:44:15 am)
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What a wonderful story!
How lucky you are to have someone to share your enthusiasm with. He sounds like a very special kid. I would definitely be patient and wait for him to choose - maybe talk it over with him - can you go backstage after the concert and talk to any of the players? Keep us updated!

Edited by: MsCheryl  at: 5/15/01 8:46:58 am
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