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cyn38 
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(5/18/01 5:21:45 pm)
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Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Lend me your ears!
Hi friends,
I had a very informative visit with some Doctor friends last night and I felt compelled to share this information with all of you. This same response is found in the thread about 'ringing in the ears' or 'tinnitis', but as I'm sure is the case, not everyone will read the 10th response on that particular thread, and the things I found out are important enough that I wanted to post this for the general masses.

It may not apply to you, you may already know all this stuff, but if it helps even one person who didn't know, then it's worth repeating :)

Here then, is a copied version of what I learned from several Doctor friends about musicians caring for and protecting their ears.

--cyn, RN

As promised, I had a long visit with several of the ENT Doctors at work last night.

The normal human ear can withstand 90 db for 8 hours. 90 db ia like sitting next to a loud vacuum-cleaner. The ear can be exposed to 100 db for 4 hours. A loud jack-hammer would be approx 110 db, and isn't recommended past 2 hours. Though it's possible, hearing loss doesn't usually occur until 110db, and most of the time, your own practice, and/or that of the full orchestra roaring away, doesn't exceed 110db for any extended period of time. However, (and this is IMPORTANT)...the idea of ear protection is still mandatory!!!

The very fact that you're musicians and depend heavily upon your ears in order to do your job, dictates that you always protect them from the least amount of trauma. I posed the scenario of a full section of brass blaring toward your ear on a pretty regular basis, and was admonished to very clearly advise all of you (especially orchestra memebers) to ALWAYS wear an ear plug(s) to protect your ear from acoustic damage.

Now a word about ear plugs, straight from the Docs that deal with people every day who are subjected to loud sounds as part of their jobs: The little foam plugs are fine for most settings, perhaps even for you if you sit far enough away from the horns If you're still concerned, or you're lucky enough to sit right by those guys, then a custom-fit ear mold would be the better choice. These can be made for just one ear, or both, but the great thing about them is that built into them are little holes that allow much of the sound to be filtered down to an acceptable level. You'll still hear all the important stuff you need to, (though as mentioned in recent threads, being able to hear various and sundry maestros may or may not be among those things you want to hear), a filtered sound instead of a distorted sound will allow you to tune, blend with others, balance...all those things that are the essense of what we do in this business.

And here's good news: Of the three ENT's I 'interviewed', the concensus was that it is very rare that they have seen(non-rock band) musicians suffering hearing loss or even long-term tinnitus. Their advice was that if you're someone that's currently suffering from 'ringing', then you should:

(a) check in with your doctor and bring up these points
(b) get a baseline hearing test. Down the road if you do develop any hearing loss, it will help in a disability/liability situation
(c)investigate getting a custom fit ear mold to wear in whichever ear faces the brass. You might not need it every concert, but it'll come in handy when the brass show up in force!

Still have questions? These Docs are dear friends, and I'd be happy to take back questions if you have them.

cynsymphony@aol.com

zambocello
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(5/20/01 1:34:40 am)
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Re: Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Lend me your ears!
The dB levels and durations you mention sound like OSHA standards. Those standards are pretty much meant to keep you from blowing out your ears in one day. I'm inclined to believe that if you sit next to a loud vacuum cleaner for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, your hearing will suffer in the long run.

Anyone who has played the Turangalela Symphony knows that over 110 dB makes for problems in about 2 seconds and that 2 hours would be REALLY bad.

I know several symphonic musicians with hearing loss that is probably work-related. Every full-time tuba player I know has a degree of hearing loss, from their own sound! (Their bell is right next to their own ear.)

I'm no doctor (wait, yes I am! -- but not an MD) but my opinions are based on a bit of experience and serious observation.

BTW, I'm curious what a doctor or a physicist would say about the difference in energy level and the wearing out of the ear machinery based on the complication of the sound wave as opposed to merely the dB level. Some sounds seem more stressful than others, even at the same dB level. Also, to be a little to the side of the brass does not lower the dB that much, but greatly lessens the pain. What is there about being in the "blast zone" that causes greater discomfort?

sarah schenkman
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(5/20/01 7:45:40 am)
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Re: being in the "blast zone"
I was there in the blast zone last night. We played our last concert of the season - Pops concert with Ben E. King. Boy was his band loud. Wish I could've gotten up and danced with his back-up singers.

cellochris99
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(5/21/01 4:41:31 am)
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Re: Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Lend me your ears!
I'm not a doctor or physicist, but in my opinion, I do think that certain types of sounds can and do cause more damage than others. Our hearing response is not the same(not flat) through all frequencies. Our ears are particularly sensitive in the middle range(1kz-voice, and trumpet range) and not much below 30 hz(lower than double bass extended) and above 18kz(cymbal). In other words, 110 decibal blast at 1kz(trumpet) right in your ear would probably injure and deafen you, whereas the same volume at a much lower frequency wouldn't. The fact that it's more painful in the blast zone is that the decibel pressure is much higher and focused right on your eardrum, since the bell's purpose is to "laser beam" the sound in a nice focused bullet at wherever it's pointing at-(you).

I've read that there are certain types of sounds that REALLY put some rip on your lobes. The worst type of sound is electro-mechanical type soundwaves, such as am amplifier and speaker while clipping(distorting) at mid-to high frequencies. You usaully don't run into that in much unless you frequent rock concerts or play in a band. And, you don't have to have an amp cranked up to 10 for it to distort either! Under- powered amps and cheap speakers can be deafening you while you don't even realize it, since your getting an unnatural, incompleted(truncated) soundwave that our ears were never indended to process. I play keyboard here at home alot, and I'm using a lousy amp that distorts the sound at certain frequencies around 1kz and up, at almost any volume. After about an hour my ears really hurt, and it's not loud either. I've used a better amp that doesn't distort, and I played for hours with no ear burn.

But, in the acoustic instrument realm, complex midrange sounds with alot of higher harmonics and distortion(loud cymbals and high brass) would do more damage quicker, than anything else.

Chris

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