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MsCheryl
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(5/15/01 8:53:04 am)
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The Recorded
Cello
Just recently got my CD's of The Recorded Cello (recommended and
ordered in January - historical recordings of famous cellists) Wow!
To actually hear these people whose names I know from method books,
or reading is such a treat. It's really amazing, too, to hear how
style has changed through the years - much more "slurps and slides"  in the past.
We should bring some of that back - playing is much too sterile
these days.
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M Stucka
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(5/15/01 10:12:39 am)
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Re: The Recorded
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"playing is much too sterile these days".
RIGHT
ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tracie
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(5/15/01 10:48:48 am)
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Hooray for
slides.
Edited by: Tim
Janof at: 5/15/01 2:35:30 pm
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Tim
Janof
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(5/15/01 2:36:08 pm)
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Hooray for
carefully chosen tasteful slides.
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Paul
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(5/15/01 2:38:56 pm)
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depends on who's
sliding
Have you ever compared the way Heifetz slides to how Starker or
Rose slide? Or have you compared Oistrak's or Milstein's slides with
Gingold's etc. Oh, hey...how about Yo Yo's, DuPre's and Lynn
Harrell's slides?
Is it just a matter of taste or are some
superior, and why?
(Tracie, did Tim edit your post for you?)
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Tracie
Price
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(5/15/01 4:45:49 pm)
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? huh
I have no idea about the edit'n'
I thought I just typed in
the subject line w/o text, but maybe I put some typos in
there?
Who knows!
Slides are fun.
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M Stucka
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(5/15/01 6:13:42 pm)
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Slides
Regarding comparing slides: For me, the best slides are the most
vocal in character. Feuermann and Rose were different "sliders" but
I always have the impression that their slides are a form of singing
and NOT just a mechanical means of getting from one note in one
position to another in another position. I think that if anyone IS
trying slides today, they generally, for my taste, fail because the
slides sound too self-conscious. The art of playing an instrument
with a vocal and singing quality has been lost IMHO. My vote for
best sliders would be Feuermann on the cello (with Rose a close
2nd), Primrose on the viola, and Heifetz on the violin. These
gentlemen perfected this art. (I'd also tip my hat to Harrell for
his 'vocal' playing, but he overdoes it a bit for me, taste-wise.)
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Tim
Janof
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(5/15/01 6:20:23 pm)
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I accidently hit
the edit tab instead of reply.
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Jon
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(5/15/01 6:53:11 pm)
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Slides!
The "Slidemaster" knows what he's talking about!
Jon Pegis
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Paul
Tseng ICS Staff
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Re: I accidently
hit the edit tab instead of reply.
Ah, the danger of power!
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Paul
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Slides
I have to agree with the Slidemaster himself about Heifetz having
the best slides on violin.
For me, slides should add to the
music and not draw attention to themselves. I may be a bit of a
heretic hear, but some of Rose's slides are a bit too "jerky" for my
taste.
What I mean is that they are very abrupt and sudden. They
happen so quickly that I don't find them particularly expressive.
Starker does similar slides. Mind you, not always. They both do some
really subtle and very tasteful slides. But somehow, the "really
quick-jab in the side" slides always annoy me. Funny though, Heifetz
does some really wicked quick slides and they don't sound so jabbed.
Perhaps that has something to do with the fingerboard on the violin
being much shorter?
Somehow no one really mentions
Rostropovich. I think it's because he doesn't really slide in a way
that you think of slides. Well, someone once described him as
sounding like a dying cow, but I certainly would not agree with
that.
You MUST listen to his Schubert Impromptu in G on the
Young Rostropovich CD. There is one slide of an ascending 6th that
I'm sure the Slidemaster himself would be proud of. This to me is a
true vocal and singing sound.
I also think that vibrato has
a great deal to do with the effectiveness of a
slide/shift.
As for violinists, I still would rank Heifetz
and Gingold as my all time favorites.
Paul Tseng
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Gablety
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(5/15/01 11:35:46
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??Slides??
I agree with the statement that playing is much too sterile these
days; it's disappointing to hear an artist who's good and famous
only because he or she can play with a computer-like precision; and
"good" only means "the more you can play like a machine, the
better." Of course playing should be rhythmic, with good intonation,
but the player should still be free to make individual expressions
beyond the notes on the paper.
So what are "slides"?
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JanJan2
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Indeed, one of the most remarkable aspects of the Rose Remembered
CD is his slides. I'd never heard such singing shifts before. Not
just transportation from one note to the next. Stunningly
expressive. It blew me away - especailly in the Franck.
Unfortunately, I've yet to hear a recording of Feuermann, so I can't
compare (but I have something to look forward to!).
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MsCheryl
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(5/16/01 7:09:08 am)
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great
slides
It seems to me (from observations while teaching) that great slides
have more to do with the bow than with the left hand. The subtle
differences in bow weight and pressure are what make or break the
affect. That is probably why all these people have different slides
- so look to your right hands, people!!
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M Stucka
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(5/16/01 10:27:03 am)
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Re: great
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YES, Cheryl!! This is where slide artistry is really accomplished.
A previous poster asks what slides are. Slides are audible shifts
between notes or positions. What differentiates a beautiful slide
from a 'vomit'-sounding glissando is the speed and pressure of the
bow. In my collection of 78s, I have recordings by turn-of-the
century cellists who simply glissando, slowly, until they reach
their desired pitch. Artists like Heifetz, Primrose, and Feuermann
modified this technique and brought the art to its apex by
tastefully, tho not completely, hiding the glissando through
alterations in bow speed to immitate great singers. As Paul has
pointed out, Rose's slides can sometimes sound abrupt, but he is
most capable of slides that are often so awesomely beautiful that
they can make one weep. I often feel that in our less
heart-on-the-sleeve age, slides are dismissed as overly sentimental.
I disagree completely! My most memorable concert experiences have
been with performers who have touched my heart. Non-sliding
performers have not been able to move me. To re-quote Felix Salmond,
"If you don't want to slide, PLAY THE PIANO!!"
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Tracie
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(5/16/01 10:38:42 am)
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Vocal
quality
I think the vocal quality is key to good and tasteful slides. Ryan
would often demonstrate by showing how ridiculous some things sound
if one were singing without a little bit of a natural slide. There
are so many variables to playing beautiful yet tasteful slides that
are often overlooked these days I think. I hadn't practiced my good
sliding skills in a while and boy did it show! I know many many
college cellists who have never learned such things as variable
shifting speed and how to pick up the very end of a shift with the
bow. Sad, sad, sad...
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