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ruthann
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(5/31/01 3:26:46
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Hillary and
Jackie
Finally saw this movie on TV last night. It's got to be one of the
worst movies I've ever seen. The fake cello playing was particularly
awful. It seemed as if each character was made out to be an
especially awful person. I'm not a big Du Pre fan, so I don't feel
any affront on her behalf. I've read Wilson's biography of her as
well as that of her siblings, so I recognize some of the kernals of
the story presented in the movie. If I were one of the people still
living who was portrayed in the movie I would be mortified. Just
goes to show you that biographical movies are best made of subjects
looong dead.
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BettyLou
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(5/31/01 4:33:21
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I loved that
film!!!
Dear RuthAnn,
Although we have had our differences in the
past (you called my type of humor "mean-spirited"), I respect your
opinions greatly.
I happened to have read the bios, and have
seen the film, and fully enjoyed both. Bear in mind that films (and
it was not a movie, but a film)about cellists are not made FOR
cellists, so technically, even though Emily Watson took cello
lessons for a year to prepare for the film, there was no way she was
going to come anywhere close to portraying the technique of DuPre
(who in my mind was a true cello goddess).
I really enjoyed
the subtext of the film, the portrayal of Barenboim as a tyrant
(true to life I hear) and the tragic failure of DuPre's sister as a
musician. What was most interesting was the scene where DuPre,
unable to take the pressure of her genius admitted she hated the
cello, and left it out in the SNOW!
My sister told me once
the very same thing: "you'd be nothing if that cello wasn't propping
you up", boy did that bring back memories (I need a Kleenex now).
And of course, as in the film, I also proved my sister wrong. (She
lives in a trailer in Whitefish, Montana and is chronically
self-unemployed.)
What types of films do you like,
anyway?
with loving respect,
BettyLou
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David
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(5/31/01 4:35:23 pm)
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Re: I loved that
film!!!
What's the difference between a movie and a film?
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BettyLou
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(5/31/01 4:43:44
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Oh no, not what
I meant to do
Dear astute and perspicacious Mr. Sanders,
This is my
SUBJECTIVE delineation, and not meant to be a catalyst to any
argument or debate. If it does, well, what can I say . .
.
Film: "American Beauty" starring that luscious Kevin
Spacey.
Movie: "The Animal" starring Rob Schneider and that
woman from "Survivor".
Does it make
sense?
lovingly,
BettyLou
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Slofus
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Hello you
Here's one of the parts in "Hillary and Jackie" I found
preposterous:
Jackie: Hillary, may I do your
husband?
Hillary: No!!
Jackie: Please?
Hillary:
Well...OK.
Note to BettyLou.
Greetings, mon petit.
The final installment of TCWOB will be completed soon! Much to my
relief. Didn't realize what a chunk I was biting off in undertaking
such silliness!! Until later....
Slofus
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BettyLou
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Slofus!! Moments
in Filmdom
Dearest lieber Slofus,
I didn't want to pressure you--a
watched pot never boils and all that etc. But thank god it won't be
long till my appetite is sated (well, my literary appetite, that
is).
I often take silly bites, myself.
Yes, the
H&J husband offering was a little preposterous--she should have
bartered much more vigorously to make it believable!!!
your
glowing angel and queen, funnelcaked to high heaven
BettyLou
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DoDahlberg
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(5/31/01 6:45:14 pm)
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Or/ if the great
BettyLou doesn't mind
Film: Art
Movies: Entertainment
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BL
When this movie or film came out I saw Emily Watson on the Today
Show...did you miss it? She said she played the cello briefly as a
child but took cello lessons for six weeks to prepare for the
movie/film. There were a few jokes here on CC at the time regarding
her swift preparation to look like a really strange looking cellist.
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BettyLou
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Dorie you sly
boots!
Yes dear, that's what I mean--you needn't be shy or timid around
me, I rosin my bow just like anyone else, however queenly I may
reign here!!
your loving peer,
BettyLou
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RebeccaCello
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Little
Jackie
Hi, I wondered if anyone knew what happened to the young cellist
who played Jackie as a child. Was she a real prodigy? I also heard
that Barenboim wasn't very nice: a family friend who knew Jackie a
bit told me that his affair had begun before Jackie was confined to
a wheelchair.
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DoDahlberg
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(6/1/01 4:31:31 am)
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For BL, Neither
shy nor timid.
Somethings wrong with this new ez-board. This was for Ms. BettyLou;
it landed in the wrong place.
Dorie Edited by: DoDahlberg
at: 6/1/01 4:33:24 am
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Anna
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(6/1/01 6:15:58 am)
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hil'n'jack
Well, I didn't like the film, but not for the fake cello
playing.
Watching the film you can get the impression of
Jacqueline du Prč as a childish and weak person. In a documentary
film by David Nupen (1969/86) you see her different: Teaching,
laughing, working for a radio production of "Peter and the Wolf" -
and that was short before she died. I didn't know her, and I don't
want to get only one impression by a person by a film.
Anna.
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RobertPlaysCello
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Re: Hillary and
Jackie
Now I'm bummed. I love watching people play the cello, but I don't
get much opportunity to do so. Since I've only been playing for 2
months I thought Emily was doing just fine. In fact, I tried to copy
her vibrato style in some of the lower positions, which is probably
why my teacher scolded me to change my finger position.
So
here's my question - are there any good films or documentaries out
there about cellos and cellists? Of course, I know what I've really
got to do is just get out to performances more, but who has time
these days?!?
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Eric
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Re: Hillary and
Jackie
Try the "Yo-yo Ma - Inspired by Bach" series..there's tons of
great visual tips in there(IMHO). I found the whole series at the
library.
Eric
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Lucy
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(6/2/01 12:09:03 am)
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to cello-playing
Robert!
There is an amplitude of cello films available.....the Yo Yo Ma
films (Inspired by Bach), the wonderful video of Rostropovich
playing the Bach Suites, as well as the Nupen films of J. du
Pre.
Most of these (all of them?) are available through Shar
Music:
www.shar.com
They are evidence of excellent cello
playing, as well as being entertaining, and informative.
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sarah
schenkman
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(6/2/01 7:20:44 am)
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anyone remember
this one?
I think it was a Chech. film a few years back that was about a
cellist and a little boy. Can't remember the name of the movie but
remember it was really good and there was a scene in the loft in a
church where he was playing a wedding and there was a singer and
while she was singing the cellist kept trying to lift her skirt with
his bow.
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CordulaR
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(6/2/01 7:35:33
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cello
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I think the title was Kolya. A nice movie/film 
Cordula
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rocel
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Re: Hillary and
Jackie
I'm new...
Whatever one personally thinks of Jackies musical
style sometimes, she was undoubtable one of the greatest and most
respected British musicians ever. It seems sad that while orchestras
are going bankrupt throughout the British Isles through lack of
government money, the British arts council payed several hundred
thousand pounds (can't remember the exact figures), for a film to be
made to basically turn what is a private story of a woman who was
extremely ill, into a public scandal... Why did they have to turn
one of the only legendary musicians from England into a freak show,
at vast expense? couldn't the money have been better used to fund
LIVE music making in areas that can no longer afford it? (and thus
leaving our proud heritage where it belongs- who cares who Jackie
slept with? is it any of our business to criticise Baremboims
personality??? )
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