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sbwaters
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(6/26/01 2:26:56 pm)
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Did YO Yo Ma tune Bach Suites down whole note?
Hi,

In order to play in tune with Yo Yo Ma's Sony CD of the first 4 Bach suites (inspired by Bach) I had to tune my cello down a whole note.

The Prelude to the first suite resonates beautifully.

Do you suppose his cello was tuned down, that the CD was electronically played at the lower pitch, or that he used a cello with a longer neck?

Just curious. Seemed to me he tuned lower for effect.

regards/a new cello student

yo yo jr
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(6/26/01 2:56:14 pm)
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yes?
I think he lowers it a whole or half step. I think he did this because in baroque times their "a" was actually something like (im pulling this number out of my...) a 436 instead of the 440 or 442 that we know and use today. I don't know the exact # but you get the idea. I could be wrong and probably am but who knows. Im sure someone does.

DWThomas
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(6/26/01 3:09:27 pm)
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Baroque Pitch

Baroque pitch standards can always be good for a longer-than-Krispy-Kreme thread, but ...

Many early music groups play at A415 which is a full semitone below A440. I believe I've heard or read that's what Ma used.

Many fixed scale instruments such as recorders are available at A415, so today it's one of several "standards" whether it ever was before or not. :lol

Some folks are exploring A392 and A466 and beyond for clavichords and harpsichords. Back several centuries, practically every city/state had its own pitch standard. Sometimes more than one. Unaltered organ pipes, flutes, and recorders, etc. provide some evidence. But there were no recordings or Seiko tuner settings to provide sure descriptions.

Dave, occasional twiddler/tuner of a harpsichord

Laura Wichers
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(6/26/01 3:29:56 pm)
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Re: Baroque Pitch
Mr. Thomas, I do believe you are the board's official Jack of All Trades. You should try out for Jeopardy! Or maybe one of those wacky new "trivia" shows if you dare.

Oh, and your challah recipe is EXCELLENT.


Laura

DWThomas
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(6/26/01 4:03:19 pm)
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Re[2]: Baroque Pitch
Jack of All Trades, Master of None! :)

Glad you liked the challah!

The latest baking was a sourdough rye - but that's more like a lifestyle than a recipe ;) It starts with feeding the sour 48 hours ahead -- which at present severely taxes what passes for long range planning here at the Bakery & Asylum.


Dave

TerryM 
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(6/26/01 5:37:36 pm)
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Re: Re[2]: Baroque Pitch
Dave I would like to hear more about your harpsichord and your sourdough rye recipe. Good rye bread is hard to come by and sourdough rye sounds even better.

Many years ago I built a harpsichord from a kit. It took many months to complete, but was pretty decent in the end. I ended up trading it for the cello I presently own. My harpsichord and my old cello and bow for my present cello. Is yours a one or two manual harpsichord? Tuning my harpsichord really helped me to develop an ear for pitch and beats and all that good stuff. Now I can tune my grand piano with good success.

Terry

yo yo jr
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(6/26/01 5:39:14 pm)
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wow i was really off with that 436 geuss! haha
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Laura Wichers
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(6/26/01 8:16:05 pm)
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Re: Re[2]: Baroque Pitch
I'll have to try it when I get home (I'm here at Encore until early August). One of my things this summer with a friend of mine is to search out the best Rueben in all of Detroit. So far, the Onion Roll is winning (in case any of you are Rueben-meisters).


Laura

David Sanders 
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(6/26/01 10:10:37 pm)
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Re: Re[2]: Baroque Pitch
How about Zingerman's in Ann Arbor?

Laura Wichers
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(6/27/01 6:46:45 am)
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Re: Re[2]: Baroque Pitch
Their roast beef is right up there (and the olive selection is darn good), but I haven't had a chance to try their Rueben. In August for sure. Oh, did you know they have a website? You can have Zingerman's DELIVERED!! http://www.zingermans.com/


Laura

DWThomas
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(6/27/01 7:07:26 am)
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Re: Harpsichord, with a rye smile
Well, you can see the harpsichord at ourworld.compuserve.com/h...hpschd.htm

It's a single manual Flemish built from a Zuckermann kit. I refused to keep a record of the time spent, but it was definitely not a trivial project. I'm afraid I'm about as proficient at playing it as I am at the cello, but I built it and it does play. It could probably use new plectra if I run out of projects here.

As to the rye bread, I'll have to go thru my notes and post something on my bread page. The last 3 or 4 weeks I was playing with ratios of rye to wheat -- the first, mostly rye, was "pretty robust" :rollin

I used some of my long-established wheat starter to kick off a rye starter. That has to be reduced and fed a few times to fully develop, then the fun begins. Once you have an established starter, you still have to start the process about two days ahead of when you want finished loaves.

I took three loaves of it to an art club picnic and it was snarfed up with considerable enthusiasm. (Along with two other varieties.)

Dave

TerryM 
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(6/27/01 11:12:39 am)
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Re: Harpsichord, with a rye smile
Beautiful job Dave! That is the same kit I built, but I was not brave enough to do all that wonderful painting. It really gives it an 'authentic' look. I remember getting around to the plectra cutting stage and as I added keys, I spent more time playing than working on it. As a result the last octaves on the bottom and top took some time to complete. I remember spending many hours tuning it and experimenting with various non-tempered tuning formats. Great sound, but it really limited you to certain keys. I wanted to build the two manual kit that was put out by Frank Hubbard at that time, but it was out of my price range. Now, any such project is out of my 'energy' range.

Terry

sarah schenkman
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(6/27/01 11:33:30 am)
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Dave - love your website..
I'm into baking bread and gardening also.

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Did YO Yo Ma tune Bach Suites down whole note? sbwaters 6/26/01 2:26:56 pm
    Dave - love your website.. sarah schenkman 6/27/01 11:33:30 am
    wow i was really off with that 436 geuss! haha yo yo jr 6/26/01 5:39:14 pm
    yes? yo yo jr 6/26/01 2:56:14 pm
       Baroque Pitch DWThomas 6/26/01 3:09:27 pm
          Re: Baroque Pitch Laura Wichers 6/26/01 3:29:56 pm
             Re[2]: Baroque Pitch DWThomas 6/26/01 4:03:19 pm
                Re: Re[2]: Baroque Pitch Laura Wichers 6/26/01 8:16:05 pm
                   Re: Re[2]: Baroque Pitch David Sanders  6/26/01 10:10:37 pm
                      Re: Re[2]: Baroque Pitch Laura Wichers 6/27/01 6:46:45 am
                Re: Re[2]: Baroque Pitch TerryM  6/26/01 5:37:36 pm
                   Re: Harpsichord, with a rye smile DWThomas 6/27/01 7:07:26 am
                      Re: Harpsichord, with a rye smile TerryM  6/27/01 11:12:39 am



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