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Laura Wichers
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(7/29/01 10:09:43 pm)
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How good are the prodigies really?
At Encore, there are a lot of young people (under 16) who are absolutely amazing. Take for example Jonah, the 13-year old cellist from Curtis who had a Vuillaume last year and supposedly has a Strad this year. He played Saint-Saens at a concert a few weeks ago (he's already played all the major concertos; now he is "going back" to revisit the 'easy' ones). While some of his musical ideas were not to my taste, his technical prowess and overall musicianship was outstanding. "Disgusting" is my favorite descriptive in cases like this.

Here's what I'm confused about: Jonah's performance was great, especially since he's only 13. But had I heard Isserlis play like Jonah did, or any other highly accomplished adult cellist, I probably would have been slightly disappointed. How does one judge these young students? Do you judge them on based on how accomplished they are for their age? I have trouble with that because, as in Jonah's case, they've already played all the major literature, played with big name orchestras, etc, so I tend to judge them the same way I would someone like Isserlis. Is that fair to the student? Is it also not fair to other less gifted 13-year olds to judge prodigies as "regular" children?

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Christopher Chan
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(7/29/01 11:30:16 pm)
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Re: How good are the prodigies really?
prodigy- a : an extraordinary, marvelous, or unusual accomplishment, deed, or event
b : a highly talented child or youth

Han-na Chang won the Rostropovich cello competition at age 11, taking first prize as well as the contemporary music prize. I think with so many talented children these days the bar should be raised. Would i be wrong in placing her as the benchmark? :b

I find prodigies to be a novelty and as we all know novelties wear out. Children grow up. It might be better to see how a child progresses as they become an adult. I've read that most prodigies burnout as they get older. If you take people like Slava, Starker, and Ma for instance, i believe they were all prodigies and they continued to improve as well as make tremendous contributions to their instruments. I find that Han-na Chang's new CD to be big improvemnt over her first two. True prodigies should continue to improve and not disappear into the woodwork...

my $.02

Xabur1342
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(7/30/01 12:10:57 am)
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How good are prodigies really?
He played Saint-Saens. Well that is not necessarily a the ultimate indicator. Many young cellists play it.
In the end cello playing is about who you are. About what you have to share with the world. We all are unique. We all have a unique perspective on each piece and all those perspectives are precious.
Going from childhood to adulthood is a huge change for every human being. I think it becomes most pronounced around 20-25. How you come out of that often has an effect on your outlook on life and on your cello playing. Whether you still have passion for music and a strong personal voice at the cello. That is very important.
Who knows, he may go on to become a doctor.

Xabur

karen83
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(7/30/01 9:47:55 am)
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Re: How good are the prodigies really?
I think I met that same kid when he was 11 at the Killington Music Festival. They said his parents forced him to practice 8 hours a day. Of course there were many rumors that went around that camp for there was a small amount of people there. Who knows if that was true or not. But if it was, I think its a shame for an 11 year old to be forced like that, no matter what the outcome.

RebeccaCello
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(7/31/01 10:42:18 am)
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I read that Saint-Seans gave his first (piano) recital at the age of ten and offered to play as an encore any of the 32 Beethoven sonatas from memory!!!!!!!

ashley
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(7/31/01 12:39:27 pm)
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I tend to think that we should only judge people according to their capacity. It doesn't seem fair really to compare one person to the next... especially with music. Everyone has different abilities and "strong suites." I think we should judge what they DO according to what they CAN do. 'Course, it's hard to know what someone's abilities are when you don't know them that well. :)

My 2-pennies.

Paul Tseng ICS Staff 
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(7/31/01 1:09:12 pm)
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Re: How good are the prodigies really?
I think the best thing to do is look at the potential they have.

It's great to have technique and repertorie taken care of at an early age. That leaves the rest of the time to learn about life and find one's own voice.

Christopher's assessment is pretty good.

Sometimes, I think about Michael Rabin. What would he have played like at age 55?

Some prodigies burn out, some get bored, and some just get better. They are gifted and must work hard to some degree. But only time will tell.

In the meantime, for us lesser mortals...it's back to scales and etudes and hard work.


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How good are the prodigies really? Laura Wichers 7/29/01 10:09:43 pm
    Re: How good are the prodigies really? Paul Tseng ICS Staff  7/31/01 1:09:12 pm
    Re: How good are the prodigies really? ashley 7/31/01 12:39:27 pm
    Re: How good are the prodigies really? RebeccaCello 7/31/01 10:42:18 am
    Re: How good are the prodigies really? karen83 7/30/01 9:47:55 am
    How good are prodigies really? Xabur1342 7/30/01 12:10:57 am
    Re: How good are the prodigies really? Christopher Chan 7/29/01 11:30:16 pm



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