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M Stucka
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(4/20/01 7:20:48 pm)
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Query
My distinguished and esteemed
colleague, Phil Blum, would like to obtain information about an
editor for an "old" edition of Wagner orchestral exerpts named "M.
Kiesling".
Does anyone here know about this cellist?? Thanks in
advance. GMS
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David
Sanders 
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(4/21/01 12:46:49 am)
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Can't
find anything in all my books!
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drcello
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(4/21/01 5:20:19 am)
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Kiesling appears to have been a printer...
Here is a very rough translation
from a German web page:
"Zurich had a strong tradition of the
political Schriftstellerei at wagners times, however the literary
Comptoir of Winterthur, which had published factories of Karl Marx,
Hoffmann von Fallersleben, Georg Herwegh and other one, in the year
1846 to only five-year activity into the liquidation had gone. It
tended to bring the content-fuller writings out, which wagner wrote
during its inhabitants of zurich time, with publishing houses in
Germany, during its shorter papers usually in the new magazine for
music , sometimes in addition, in Zurich in the Swiss federal
newspaper published. Independent texts, which it wanted to publish
in Zurich, came out either with the publishing house Schulthess -
like a theatre in Zurich - or, as in the case of the ring libretto ,
with the printer Kiesling , which was active as publishers also.
With the more renowned inhabitant of zurich publishing house Orell
Fuessli appeared something by wagner, with exception of the 1851
lithographed however never Portraets of Kaspar Scheuchzer.
Neither with Kiesling nor with Schulthess correspondence is
from wagner it in its other exchange of letters is received still
mentioned. A view into the business of both companies can offer
however an assertion, why wagner even landed at these companies -
finally at that time more than one dozen of printering was in Zurich
active - and can something light on wagners social contacts of his
first inhabitants of zurich years throw.
The printer Erwin
Kiesling was born 1818 in Oppeln in Schlesien. It seems to have been
active starting from approx. 1846 in Zurich as typesetters and then
in the autumn 1848 its own printering at the Schmidgasse 6 opened.
From 1849 to 1853 its fortune of Fr.1500 increased to Fr. 3500. Over
1864 sold its printering to Kiesling at Johannes duke, formerly
reformed minister and during some years member of the government of
the canton Thurgau. Its former printering existed still a few years
ago as " letterpress printing Leemann ", do not exist however in the
meantime also more (see: Paul Leemann van Elck, printing, publishing
house, book trade in the canton Zurich from the starts to around
1850 ; Zurich: Leemann AG, 1950). It is received neither a directory
of the books printed at that time by Kiesling, nor any type file
seems to have survived. The alphabetical central catalog of the
zentralbibliothek Zurich indicates however approximately sixty
titles from Kieslings printering. These originate from all possible
sections of the knowledge - which does not surprise, because a
printer must fulfill each job, for that to cash brings in (click to
printering here for the directory of the titles from Kieslings ).
Kiesling 1850 began to print the journal of the share theatre (at
the time from wagners first appearance in the inhabitant of zurich
theatre) and printed several factories of friends and acquaintance
of the composer. By William Ruestow, one in Zurich resident Prussian
officer, the wagners acquaintance over François and Eliza will made,
published with Kiesling two titles; the director of the share
theatre Philipp whale castle Kramer let vaterlaendisch historical
play be the murder night in Zurich with him to print, and of the
Altphilologen Ludwig Ettmueller, with which wagner at the beginning
of the 1850er years regularly over the nordischen hero legends
received assertions and information, appeared 1852 the fatal
toothache or Karl the large one and the holy Goar . In the same year
appeared for the first time something from wagner with Kiesling,
i.e. the libretto to the flying dutchman regarding the performances
in the share theatre. An authoress, who let pressure also at
Kiesling, was by the way Mathilde Wesendonck , whose poems,
volkslieder, to legends, appeared later legends some years with him.
The copy in the zentralbibliothek Zurich indicates still handwritten
modifications, probably from the authoress."
Marshall C. St. John
drcello@vei.net
Cello Heaven
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drcello
Registered User
(4/21/01 5:21:23 am)
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Website
location
PS: The German webpage is
here:
www-zb.unizh.ch/SONDERSA/...rleger.htm
Marshall C. St. John
drcello@vei.net
Cello Heaven
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TerryM
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(4/21/01 8:08:24 am)
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A listing of the "Contents of the
Eisenberg Cello Music Collection at UNCG" indicates that Kiesling's
first name was Max. No other information was found
there.
Wagner, Richard, 1813-1883 - Orchester-studien
(Orchestral Studies) fur Violoncell - Kiesling, Max (ed.) -
Breitkopf & Hartel - Leipzig/? - Ensemble/Orchestral - plate
#V.A.4585 - Box 46-10 - (Cello pt. only. Includes Rienzi, The Flying
Dutchman, and others. Edition Breitkopf Nr. 4585. Fragile.)
library.uncg.edu/depts/sp...mecon.html
Terry
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sarah
schenkman
Registered User
(4/21/01 12:19:56 pm)
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I've
got that excerpt book, but no info
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TerryM
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(4/21/01 4:00:54 pm)
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I could find no further information
on any of the meta-search engine tools that I use. I have sent a
note to the archivist at Breitkopf Hartel asking for any information
that they might have about him. I will let you know if I hear
anything back from them.
Terry
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G
M Stucka
Registered User
(4/21/01 5:16:22 pm)
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Thanks to all and thanks especially
to YOU, Terry. By the way, Phil also has an older edition of
R.Strauss exerpts edited by "W. Jeral". We're curious about this
person, too.
Anyone have info about Mr. Jeral? Thanks in
advance.
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cellofreak2000
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Registered User
(4/21/01 5:46:22 pm)
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W.Jeral......
Wilhelm Jeral, born in 1861 in
Prague was principal cellist at the Vienna Staatsoper since 1900. He
composed a couple of works including a cello-concerto, pieces for
cello and piano a.o. - also edited a couple of cello-literature -
like the Strauss.
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TerryM
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(4/21/01 5:54:08 pm)
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Jeral
A Wilhelm Jeral was a composer as
well as an editor for Universal Editions in Vienna. I sent them a
note asking for any information as well. I found this excerpt in the
Rudolf Matz collection at:
library.uncg.edu/depts/sp...tzcon.html
Jeral,
Wilhelm, 1861- - Zweite Romanze, op. 9, no. 1 - D. Rahter -
Hamburg/? - Cello Piece - plate #2111 - Box 20-20 - (1 piano score,
1 cello pt.)
From Lev Ginsbergs "History of the Violoncello"
Vilem Jeral is mentioned on page 90 as a pupil of the Czech
violoncellist, Frantiskek Hegenbarth. Hegenbarth held a
professorship at the Saltzburg Mozarteum from 1865 on where Jeral
was on of this students.
Terry
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sarah
schenkman
Registered User
(4/22/01 8:05:48 am)
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Maybe
we'll find out in July...
The latest edition of "Strings"
magazine - May/June - has an article by Jeffrey Solow called "Who
Was That Guy, Anyway?" about historical editors of cello music, part
1. It's alphbetical and goes through Herrmann. Part 11 will be in
July.
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