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TerryM
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(4/10/01 9:26:51 pm)
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Bach.Bogen - A new Curved Bow
Has anyone played with one of these
curved bows? You can play two, three or four note chords as well as
regular playing. Apparently Rostropovich is involved in the
development of the bow. The tension of the hair can be altered while
playing as well. Interesting.
pro.wanadoo.fr/bach.bogen/home-e.htm
Terry
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zambocello
Registered User
(4/11/01 12:21:22 am)
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bachische bogen
Pretty wild. There was a violinist
-- who was it? -- that developed something along the same lines back
in the 1960s, claiming that a bow with similar properties existed in
Bach's time, and so Bach probably had that bow in mind when he wrote
the contrapuntal movements of the unaccompanied violin pieces. There
is really no scholarship or accepted opinion that the Bach-bow ever
existed and it never caught on. More importantly, it must not have
played/sounded very well, or would it not have caught on to some
extent?
Especially for cello I don't see the point. Few
movements have sustained 3 or 4 voice harmonies and, more
importantly the bow neither recreates an authentic period sound nor
(I doubt) is an improvement on traditional bows.
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Paul
Tseng ICS Staff 
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(4/11/01 1:25:56 am)
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bachische bogen
But what a wild ride for modern
pieces! I'd love to hear the Cage piece!
Paul Tseng
My Website
Alexander's website
Free Cello Music!
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JC2
Registered User
(4/11/01 9:28:35 am)
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Bach.Bogen - A new Curved Bow
After seeing these pages, is Sue
Schott very tiny, or is that cello really huge?
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TerryM
Registered
User
(4/12/01 6:49:18 am)
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You Are
Right Zambo
A bow very similar to these
Bach.Bogen bows is shown in the 1965 book by David Boyden called
"The History of Violin Playing" and are called The Modern Bach Bow.
I guess modern is a relative term.
I am curious to know how
you made out with your eBay cello purchase you told us about a while
back.
Terry
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M Stucka
Registered User
(4/12/01 7:23:25 am)
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Emil
Telmanyi (1892-1988)
This Danish violinist recorded the
Bach Sonatas and Partitas in 1953/1954 using a curved bow. The bow
he used was called the VEGA bow; named after its maker, Knud
VEsterGArd. Originally issued by Decca, these recordings were most
recently available on LPs issued by Danacord. I don't know if these
have yet been issued on CD.
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zambocello
Registered User
(4/12/01 7:44:52 pm)
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The
ebay cello
It's what I wanted: an unrestored
cello from the mid- or earlier- 1800s. Low neck, light bass bar, etc
so it might be a good baroque cello. Unfortunately it has more
damage (and more serious damage) than I perceived from the ebay ad,
so it will be a while before it is ready to play again! It is an
interesting long-term project, though.
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cellofreak2000
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Registered User
(4/14/01 3:58:52 pm)
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Bach-Bow
I know a recording of the german
violinist Otto Büchner, who used this kind of bow (must have been in
the early sixties I think) - no idea if it is still available.
Anyway, the whole idea does not seem to be sooooo spectacular,
because almost nobody tried to develop or follow it.
I think the
main problem is, that you have to find a way to tighten and loosen
the tension of the bow-hair during playing in order to change from
mono to quadruple playing......this probably requires a very special
bow-technique.......
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Andy
Hamric
Registered
User
(4/16/01 9:53:47 pm)
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baroque
bows
Didn't all baroque bows have concave
curves, like the underhand gamba bows? These were pre-Tourte.
What gets me is that none of the baroque players I know of
(at leat on recordings) play with baroque bows, they all play with
Tourte (if early/primitive tourte) bows, albeit without the metal
ferrules. It seems like they're only going
half-way.
Andy
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zambocello
Registered User
(4/16/01 10:12:16 pm)
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Really?
I'm curious who you're thinking of.
All the early music players I know use baroque bows. Bear in mind
that even by the 1700s the bow was well on the way towards changing.
My understanding is that the "transition bow" from the time of the
Bach was not very curved. It was quite flat, in fact. Indeed, most
gamba bows do not have a very pronounced outward curve.
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Andy
Hamric
Registered
User
(4/20/01 9:46:50 pm)
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Really?
Bylsma uses a Peccatte on his Bach
suite recording with the Smithsonian's Servais strad. Of course he
uses a baroque bow with the 5-string cello. Perhaps I'm jumping to
conclusions, but I think Dieltiens used a bow with a screw in the
frog at the cello congress.
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